The Asda supermarket on Coronation Road has started work on a new petrol station in its car park. Here at Simply Southville we have mixed views about the development. On the plus side it will mean a cheap supply of petrol for local residents. On the minus side it means a loss of spaces in the car park, which can get very busy at times, and may lead to more trips into the area as motorists seek a cheaper fill-up.
Can't help thinking is Asda trying to protect its customer base, with the threat of a Tesco at Ashton Gate (complete with its own petrol forecourt)?
Tuesday, 6 October 2009
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Could the car park get very busy because there aren't enough supermarkets to satisfy demand?
ReplyDeleteYou really should be more thoughtful before posting these contradictory statements.
Perhaps a campaign against extra unwanted cars into the area is warranted.
Richard Lane
Well yes, they would'nt be in retail if they didn't attempt to retain custom!
ReplyDeleteRichard, independent consultants hired by Bristol City Council blew your suggestion out of the water some weeks ago.Remember?
Hi whoever you are.
ReplyDeleteI remember that the report said there would not be an adverse effect on North St.
It did say that there could be an adverse effect on Bedminster town centre due to a fall in foot traffic from lost custom at Asda.
It also said that there was poor pedestrian and cycle access from the southwest of the proposed store, an area where no pedestrians or cyclists would come from because that is the trading estate and the fields beyond.
So what is the point of a report which is fundamentally flawed in this aspect and possibly more.
For example, it does not take into account future population increases and the increased density of housing on brownfield sites around the bedminster area which are in progress and planned, or the proposed new housing with the stadium, or the possibility of Bristols Southwest urban expansion. It only takes into account the present retail situation.
It didn't say that it is a level site with excellent pedestrian and cycle routes from every other direction, which is where those people would come from because it is only supposed to point out the possible bad points of the proposal.
So the reality is that nothing is blown out of the water as you put it.
The plans are constantly evolving and being adjusted to account for these type of reports, that's why they have them.
Cheers
Richard Lane
Richard
ReplyDeleteEvery supermarket gets busy on a Saturday, but that doesn't mean we need a massive new store 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
People queue for Bob Wherlock's on a Saturday morning, by your logic are you suggesting he opens a bigger shop to cope with that demand. You could also argue that Ashton Gate gets busy once a fortnight, but with average crowds of 14,000 there's plenty of spare capacity!
The proposed Tesco store is going to result in millions more car journeys through Ashton and Southville. So too right, Simply Southville will campaign against 'unwanted journeys'. No superstore = fewer cars = a better environment.
As a certain Meerkat would say 'simples'.
Richard,as you say, what it takes into account is the present retail situation. Until a substantial number of the proposed houses are built, the superstore will damage the existing infrastructure.
ReplyDeleteThe superstore will be open by 2013, the local High Streets will have suffered 5 years of major decline by 2018 and all for 360 hours of football that we may, or may not get.
All the best
Vera Fussell - Wells Street
I think you are quoting old innacurate/ exagerated figures with the car journeys.
ReplyDeleteMost won't be going through Ashton and Southville as claimed, with the majority going in and out of Tesco via winterstoke rd.
This has all been gone over before and the figures quoted by the campaign against Tesco were wrong.
You probably won't get a 24/7 store.
Please don't talk about football as like this subject you obviously no nothing about it.
Vera.
If the houses and people are not there and people continue to support their local shops instead of going to a supermarket as they already do then where is the risk?
Richard - perhaps you should just stick to football, as it is clear you know nothing about planning or traffic!!!
ReplyDeleteStrange you haven't been campaigning for a new supermarket for years before if there is such a need? Or is it just you and your City mates want a new stadium and don't give a $h1t what the imapct is on the local community.
AJ
ReplyDeleteIf you had been following this debate from the outset you would have seen that I do care about the community.
My reason for starting the pro Tesco petition was as a result of the rubbish and scaremongering coming out of the no Tesco campaigners camp, not all of it but quite a lot. It was certainly an unbalanced viewpoint being promoted and needed an opposite view to be expressed.
Having worked in the construction industry for over 38 years, dealing with planners architects and the general public I feel quite comfortable with my knowledge regarding planning issues.
I find it strange that you have not been campaigning against a supermarket prior to this campaign or is it just because it is Tesco?
Could you tell me what qualifications you have obtained to make you such an expert on traffic, have you at least read the report.
Your comments lack content and are nothing short of a childish rant.
Richard Lane
Richard - 'Childish rant...' look in the mirror mate.
ReplyDeleteCome on admit it. You are a Bristol City fan, who has got the Bristol City Supporters Trust to help promote your campaign. It is all about getting a stadium and Tesco is your ticket to get it.
Your 'silent majority' is full of people that don't live in the area. Me thinks they may well be City fans too?
When it comes to ranting, i think you win.
Tescos invited us all to a planning consultation in the summer. The plans showed a footway/cycleway from Ashton Rd into their site.
ReplyDeleteThe plans they actually submitted, showed a road instead of the footpath they had consulted over. Tescos own figures estimate 4.2 million car movements per year into the site. They estimate that 40% will use the new road not mentioned in the planning consultation. Thats just under an additional 2 million car journeys past the end of my street, and beside one of the few parks in the area. These cars & juggernauts will use North Street, Greenway Bush Lane, Duckmoor Rd and anywhere else they can run through to avoid Winterstoke Rd.
It seems like lies to get what you want!
Vera Fussell
Well said Vera!
ReplyDeleteAJ
ReplyDeleteplease don't refer to me as mate because you clearly are not.
You are ranting again with nothing constructive to say.
I have used the only medium available to me and never have I mentioned a silent majority, that was a headline from the evening post.
I believe this will be good for the south of the city.
Berate on the other hand have used all sorts of propoganda to promote their campaign whilst at the same time ommiting the areas they say they represent from their actual campaign.
They claim the majority of local people are against the Tesco development, when in reality only about 6 or 7 percent of the population of Bedminster and Southville have actually signed their petition, hardly a majority from the area they claim to represent.
Vera
Yes it does seem like lies get you what you want, especially if used in exagerated car figures, claims of support, scaremongering about shops closing in North St, damage to parks, claims of juggernauts using Greenway bush lane, caims that there are no pedestrian and cycle routes into the site from the west.
Plans evolve that's what they do after a consultation period, what good would a consultation do if things didn't change after it.
The figures you qoute don't mention that 90% of those vehicles are already on the road.
They obviously did their sums and decided that it would be better to have access to and from Winterstoke Rd into the first entrance to the site, which is not as far as the park.
As for cars using the other roads (if the council don't restrict them) then they will pass the shops of North St and most probably bring extra custom to those shops.
All the best
Richard Lane not ranting
Richard - Answer the question.
ReplyDeleteYour 'yes' to Tesco campaign is about getting a new stadium for city. It has nothing to do with representing the views of local people.
Post a comment on this forum to say that is not the case. Tell us that it is only about Tesco and has NOTHING to do with a stadium for City.
AJ whoever you are
ReplyDeleteYou are effectively calling me a liar.
Sorry to dissapoint, just for you I'll say it again.
I started this petition back on July the 23rd
as a result of having time on my hands, off work with a bad back.
I was following the debate on the evening post website.
Various people were spouting utter rubbish about the proposals and the effect it will have on North St shops (since proven to be unjustified by the independent retail report).
Exagerated figures were being bandied around about traffic, negative comments about how Bristol would only get a small game in the world cup, about how Mr Lansdown was bullying the council with daily press releases and threats and how he should pay for it himself.
The reality was that at the time Mr Lansdown, speaking for the club had only made press releases about the proposed new ground and the existing ground.
The evening post (and only them) were promoting Bristols world cup bid on a daily basis and referring to the world cup bid being reliant on a new stadium going ahead. Also saying the new stadium was dependant on the sale of Ashton gate to Tesco.
So because the evening post were running these daily stories it was said that they were coming from the club, THAT WAS WRONG.
It was one way traffic only and coming from the detractors.
I am a passionate Bristolian and think that this a good thing for Bristol. I could not believe the opposition propoganda so thought the best thing to counter it was to set up a petition in favour of the plans and give people that supported the plans a chance to show that support for the plans, this has happened.
Now you are right up to date.
Richard Lane or shall I put RL